VIDEO
2025 Outlook
Rose Vangerven, CEO-designate, shares Findlay Park’s views at the start of 2025 – our confidence in the US as a great place to invest, the risks in the index, and how we are positioned to navigate volatility and risk.
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Hello, this is Rose Vangerven.
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I’m a partner at Findlay Park
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and from April will be the incoming CEO.
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We’d love to update you on our thinking at the
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start of 2025.
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Really it’s three things.
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We remain firmly confident in America as an amazing place
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to invest and do business.
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We are much less confident,
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however, in the index, we see real risks there given
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concentration, whereas our portfolio is very
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diversified and differentiated.
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We agree that there can be other risks
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and issues along the way in a, political world,
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in a rapidly changing world.
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And actually, the ability to navigate this risk
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and volatility has been key to our track record
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for the past 26 years.
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So why are we so confident in America?
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We see here the maths, that America has been a great place
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to invest, with companies with great growth
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and returns for the past several decades.
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Of course, that’s backward looking.
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But some of these factors here on the right we
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think are more enduring.
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Firstly, the culture, the entrepreneurialism,
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the growth orientated mindset
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and the shareholder friendliness of Americans.
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Increasingly, America is also energy independent,
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which gives it flexibility.
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The economy is diversified.
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Different states have their own different setups.
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So if you don’t like what’s happening in California
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as a company, you can move to Texas and vice versa.
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It creates healthy competition.
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We still believe in the political
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and regulatory structure in the US
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and the breadth of the capital markets.
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So why do we have less confidence in the index?
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As we know, the Magnificent seven account for about 30%
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of indices such as the S&P 500.
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So the index is concentrated, but why is this a problem?
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We see a few issues here.
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Firstly, competition, particularly when it comes
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to new vectors and technologies such as AI
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questions over future earnings growth
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and valuation for many of these companies.
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But the index is also narrow.
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When we look back over time, we’ve rarely seen two periods
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of consecutive years
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where such few companies have outperformed indices
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such as the S&P 500.
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And if we look back over the past few decades,
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there’s really only been one other period
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where this has occurred, which is the Dot-com Boom.
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And of course that did not end well.
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What do we like to invest in and how are we different?
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So where we’re really positioned is increasingly in mid-cap
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companies and we define that quite broadly as companies
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between three and 50 billion.
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Why do we like these types of companies?
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They’re generally less understood, they’re generally more
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domestically orientated
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and we think we can get great companies at decent valuations
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that others aren’t perhaps looking at so much.
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We are much less focused
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for now, on the Magnificent Seven companies
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where we just see less value compared to historical periods.
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In fact, we’re currently only invested
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in one of these companies, Microsoft.
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A little bit about our activity in 2024 we think
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is helpful in this context.
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So, we’ve seen a number
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of great opportunities in more industrial focused companies
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like CRH in building materials and aggregates
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and XBO in transportation.
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We still think healthcare is a really
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interesting place to invest.
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It’s not had a great couple of years post pandemic,
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but we see this company Medpace, which helps biotech
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companies, outsource clinical research,
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which we think is really interestingly positioned
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for their future growth.
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And what don’t we like so much of?
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What have we been selling? Well,
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we see here some big household names and technology
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and related sectors, partly
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for competition reasons like T-Mobile, um, and Alphabet.
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One company I’d really like to hone in on is NVIDIA.
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And this really goes back to how we invest.
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So we’ve seen, in late January a single day
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where this company’s share price fell about 17%.
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This really speaks to the fact that we see a lot
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of uncertainty in terms of really picking AI winners
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and losers at the moment.
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Um, and for now we are not sure of the future
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and certainty of this business, certainly at this valuation.
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So we don’t really like uncertainty.
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In fact, our whole aim is to create compelling returns
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by taking less risk
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and we see some potential risks on the horizon.
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You might be concerned with inflation,
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you might be concerned with the impact of tariffs,
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interest rates, the deficit, etc.
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The good news is that we feel confident in our
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ability to navigate risk.
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And if you look back over the history of the fund,
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we’ve actually outperformed in 30
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of the 32 down quarters over which our fund has been
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running, which as you see creates,
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this good long-term compounding record.
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In fact, our compound return record has been very
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consistent over time.
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You see here it’s just over 12%.
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This is the dark line at the top
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and some of the indices,
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which you see along the bottom can be much more variable.
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In fact, if you really care about not losing money,
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I’d really urge you to look at the shaded column here.
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So this is the minimum 10 year rolling return
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that you could have achieved in our fund versus some
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of the major indices.
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As you see here for our fund, it’s almost 9%,
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whereas in some of the big indices,
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you’d have actually lost money at some periods on a 10 year
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rolling return basis.
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And with that, thank you so much for listening
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and we look forward to seeing many of you in 2025.
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